poor people heh?   Women don't typically abort because they're poor.   They abort because the pregnancy is an inconvenience.  It interferes with their education or their profession.   Or they are using abortion as a form of birth control.  

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The most abortions happen among poorer people for various reasons. Alot of them can't afford to feed the babies they have, let alone the ones they don't want. The adament "Pro-Lifers" would force them to have those babies anyway. Then deny them the "Socialist" services to help them be taken care of, from pre-natal care to post-natal care to any 'Socialist" medical or food program that would help. So you demand that the baby be born, yet care less for the quality of life of that person. Then whine about the increased load on the welfare system.
I'm not for late term abortions. I think that's a decision that should be made as soon as a pregnancy is known. It's important that any woman have a choice. One that, as a man, I'm glad I'll never have to make, nor will I pretend that I know what's best for any woman.
Just so you know, I'm also all for pressuring them (welfare recipients) to get jobs. I don't believe in handouts to deadbeats or illegal aliens.

I'm really not sure of your premise that more abortions happen among poorer people.  I'd like to see the stats on that.

I'm guessing the comments about denying care are designed to say conservatives don't care about the children.  That's a typical liberal comment..what about the children?

There are programs in place and they will never go away.  Some of them are:   prenatal care,  CHIPs for healthcare for children, WiK for baby supplies, the School Lunch Program, foodstamps, daycare, public assistance housing and Aid to Dependent Children (which by the way has detroyed the black family because fathers need not apply).  

Wouldn't it be nice if there were personal responsibility to go with those programs?  Wouldn't it be better to not have people having 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 children and collecting benefits for every one of them?  Wouldn't it also  be better to actually help people with education and vocational training to allow them to get decent jobs?

Let's take it from a different perspective.  You are a fetus.  You'll develop into a human being who might end up being President of the United States, a Doctor who might find a cure for AIDS, or an inventor who might develop a new energy source for the entire world to use.  But, you won't.  Your mother doesn't want you.   Your mother doesn't want to go through a pregnancy and give you to someone who would care for you and raise you.  Your mother has had sex and you are her 3rd abortion because she doesn't use protection and  uses abortion for birth control.  Your mother chooses to abort you and Obama, by the way, wants to have the Government pay for your abortion.  Do you not see what a waste this is?  Do you not see how our nation is missing out?  Can you not see a would-be child having the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and being allowed to grow up and contribute to society?

Roe vs Wade was decided based on "privacy." Whatever happened to the original Roe vs Wade that was first trimester only?  How did abortions get expanded thru the 9th month of gestation and even upon live births who survived abortions?  Democrats.  Liberals.    

I believe abortion is at the top of the list of the worst moral things our country has ever done.  Obama says his first thing to do as President is to sign the Democrats' bill on the freedom of choice.  That legislates all abortions based on the right to choose including partial birth abortion and we already know how he feels about the babies who have survived abortions.

Women have choices.  They can not have sex.  They can use birth control.  They can give babies up for adoption.  They can raise them with the multitude of Government Programs.  They do not need to abort their babies unless it is a health issue of great magnitude.

If you have held your children in your arms and have not seen the miracle, then I don't know what else to say about the miracle of life.

I haven't had a chance to read it yet but it occurs to me that that would be a lot of college/university students.  IF  these stats on poor women were true it seems to me that we would be much more aware of it unless the organization founded by margaret sanger really didn't want us to know that probly most of those 'poor' are black women.   that eugenics thing you know.   Welfare and abortion on demand has probly done more to destroy the family unit in the black population.    

and i really don't understand your concern for these people killing their own young.   Would you kindly let them lead their own lives!  The last thing they need is the prodeath party helping them to annihilate themselves thru aborting their own children.

Calypso, pray tell, might thouest be a man?  I ask only because of the massive ignorance displayed in your posts.  I would bet my crappy stimulus check that you are.  Women have abortions because a child would be inconvenient?  Well, I can tell you, from personal experience, that I have never been in more pain in my entire life.  No, dear sweet Calypso, all comfy in the saddle of your very high horse, women who think a child would be "inconvenient" avail themselves of birth control.  That is, if it's available to them.  The "family-values" zealots have moved heaven and earth to make sure they don't, of course.  Why?  I guess it must be because women are all sluts and don't have any business bumping uglies if it's not at their husband's behest for the purpose of making babies.

See how reasonable I can be?  I didn't use the "d" word even once. Not that I didn't want to.

JackltUp wrote:  I would bet my crappy stimulus check that you are.  

"Crappy" stimulus checK? You want more free money? Why cant you bloodsuckers keep your hands out of my wallet? GET A JOB!!!

You could also quit reading so much Shakespeare. That post took me 15 minutes to understand. It is not impressive. And if you are going to troll, you dont need 5 different accounts. One is good enough.

You do not control weather your child gets to live or die, at least if it is 6 months into pregnancy with current laws. You cant take that away, at least untill next year when Obama or McCain take office, thank god. Thank god we still have a few months where infants wont be thrown into body bags because some people put their personal whining over the needs of their children.

Maybe, you should WEAR A CONDOM untill you have your life together well enough to have a kid. I have more concern for a child than I do for a loser with 10000 excuses for why they had one.

Liberals let teens run around like animals with no control or context, and then expect government programs to clean up the mess they make when they get older. We should control and teach children right and wrong when they are children, and quit trying to get to the 'root" of the childs "deeper problems" by slapping ADHD meds down their throat and calling it good, or assuming every irresponsible person was some kind of "victim". What about their child, who had its limbs chopped off? Or had its organs harvested out? Liberals show more concern for whales and pandas than they do for humans.

No matter how much money you people rob out of my paycheck, there will still be problems as long as we tolerate the immoral lifestyles you support and condone, and you do, weather you believe it or not.

And this topic was not worth my few cents anyway. If you come on to a far right message board and start screaming about how ignorant pro-lifers are, you are a troll. I will let you get back to jacking off at the idea that you are annoying a few people somewhere.

I thank you, Mr Jones, for your very kind response.  You forgot to call me a commie hippy.  I actually happen to be, quite fortunately in this particular economy, gainfully employed.  My reference to the "crappy" is more of an opinion as to the real value of sending out "stimulus" checks that don't actually "stimulate" anything.  Perhaps you haven't noticed, since I assume you must have a job or you wouldn't be throwing such stones, but a whole heck of a lot of people don't.  And $300 to them means maybe they can make their car payment this month.  They're not out buying 46" plasmas, my friend.  And that's some straight talk for you, my friend.

Wow, that was quite an edit on your part.  You added six paragraphs to your original post!   ::::clap clap clap::::: Sounds like you're just sitting there steaming in your own pile of... never mind.  Don't wanna get banned or anything.

You really jumped all over the place with that one - almost like you're ADHD or something, which I would never suggest that you are.  Really more like you're just roiling in your own rage.  Well, my friend, I understand, my friend.  I've been enraged for nigh on 8 years.  Oh, and that reminds me,  sorry for not dumbing it down for you.  

Before I get all wrapped up in my retort, I have to point out to you that "weather" and "whether" are not the same thing.  I'm pretty sure you meant the latter.  Anyhyoo...

I'm not actually looking to take anything away.  The law, as it stands, allows for a woman to choose, to a point, and then not.  It makes exceptions for the health of the mother, and I'm happy with that.  I am repulsed by the so-called "late-term" abortions, but please sleep better tonight knowing that such procedures are not elective.  Look it up.  Please don't take that as an attack, but really more of a plea to educate yourself on this particular subject before you go spouting off at someone.

Condoms - great idea.  So let's make them free and available to anyone who wants or needs them.  Good with you?  No?  Didn't think so.  All women are sluts, yes indeedy.

Liberals and their teens - I'm gonna take a stab and guess that either you aren't a parent, or you rule your children with the business end of a two by four.  Not particularly effective.  Look into the stats regarding teens who make "purity pledges" as relates to teens who engage in oral and anal sex.  Cuz they're still "pure".  yeesh.

I am not robbing any money out of your paycheck, kimosabe.  I am just a sentient, empathetic human being.  You should try it.  Come on in, the water's warm.

JackltUp wrote:Calypso, pray tell, might thouest be a man?  I ask only because of the massive ignorance displayed in your posts.  I would bet my crappy stimulus check that you are.  Women have abortions because a child would be inconvenient?  Well, I can tell you, from personal experience, that I have never been in more pain in my entire life.  No, dear sweet Calypso, all comfy in the saddle of your very high horse, women who think a child would be "inconvenient" avail themselves of birth control.  That is, if it's available to them.  The "family-values" zealots have moved heaven and earth to make sure they don't, of course.  Why?  I guess it must be because women are all sluts and don't have any business bumping uglies if it's not at their husband's behest for the purpose of making babies.

See how reasonable I can be?  I didn't use the "d" word even once. Not that I didn't want to.

i love that answer.

Mr Jones wrote: Librals show more concern for whales and pandas than they do for humans.

FYI - whales and pandas are cute.  don't even try to say that they're not.  I also show more concern for golden retrievers, cuz lord look at those precious faces!!  How can you not??