31000 SCIENTISTS Formally Reject Man-made Global Warming!

Re: 31000 SCIENTISTS Formally Reject Man-made Global Warming!

Postby Eyas on 06/08/08, 10:21 pm

A month old, but this article gives some good background

If you have a degree in Science, you can probably add your name to the petition at http://www.petitionproject.org


From:

The Fellowship Of Scientific Truth http://thefellowshipofscientifictruth.blogspot.com/2008/05/global-warming-science-consensus-not-at.html


Monday, May 19, 2008

Global Warming Science Consensus? Not At All

     At some point it seems the only scientists who will remain believers in man-caused global warming will be those who make their living promoting the concept. What will it take for politicians salivating over the opportunity to raise tax revenue from "carbon emissions" to realize they are wrong? When will the public wake up to the hoax that is man-caused global warming, and let their political leaders know they are not buying into the scam? Let us hope it is soon, before even more harm is done.


AND FINALLY: HOW MANY SCIENTISTS DOES IT TAKE TO OVERTURN A SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS?
Financial Post, 17 May 2008
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/2008/05/17/32-000-deniers.aspx
By Lawrence Solomon

Question: How many scientists does it take to establish that a consensus does not exist on global warming? The quest to establish that the science is not settled on climate change began before most people had even heard of global warming. The year was 1992 and the United Nations was about to hold its Earth Summit in Rio. It was billed as - and was - the greatest environmental and political assemblage in human history. Delegations came from 178 nations - virtually every nation in the world - including 118 heads of state or government and 7,000 diplomatic bureaucrats. The world's environmental groups came too - they sent some 30,000 representatives from every corner of the world to Rio. To report all this, 7,000 journalists converged on Rio to cover the event, and relay to the publics of the world that global warming and other environmental insults were threatening the planet with catastrophe.In February of that year, in an attempt to head off the whirlwind that the conference would unleash, 47 scientists signed a "Statement by Atmospheric Scientists on Greenhouse Warming," decrying "the unsupported assumption that catastrophic global warming follows from the burning of fossil fuels and requires immediate action."

To a scientist in search of truth, 47 is an impressive number, especially if those 47 dissenters include many of the world's most eminent scientists. To the environmentalists, politicians, press at Rio, their own overwhelming numbers made the 47 seem irrelevant.Knowing this, a larger petition effort was undertaken, known as the Heidelberg Appeal, and released to the public at the Earth Summit. By the summit's end, 425 scientists and other intellectual leaders had signed the appeal. These scientists - mere hundreds - also mattered for nought in the face of the tens of thousands assembled at Rio. The Heidelberg Appeal was blown away and never obtained prominence, even though the organizers persisted over the years to ultimately obtain some 4,000 signatories, including 72 Nobel Prize winners.

The earnest effort to demonstrate the absence of a consensus continued with the Leipzig Declaration on Global Climate Change - an attempt to counter the Kyoto Protocol of 1997. Its 150-odd signatories also counted for nought. As did the Cornwall Declaration on Environmental Stewardship in 2000, signed by more than 1,500 clergy, theologians, religious leaders, scientists, academics and policy experts concerned about the harm that Kyoto could inflict on the world's poor.

Then came the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine's Petition Project of 2001, which far surpassed all previous efforts and by all rights should have settled the issue of whether the science was settled on climate change. To establish that the effort was bona fide, and not spawned by kooks on the fringes of science, as global warming advocates often label the skeptics, the effort was spearheaded by Dr. Frederick Seitz, past president of the National Academy of Sciences and of Rockefeller University, and as reputable as they come.The Oregon petition garnered an astounding 17,800 signatures, a number all the more astounding because of the unequivocal stance that these scientists took: Not only did they dispute that there was convincing evidence of harm from carbon dioxide emissions, they asserted that Kyoto itself would harm the global environment because "increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth.

"The petition drew media attention, but little of it was for revealing to the world that an extraordinary number of scientists hold views on global warming diametrically opposite to those they are expected to hold. Instead, the press focussed on presumed flaws that critics found in the petition. Some claimed the petition was riddled with duplicate names. They were no duplicates, just different scientists with the same name. Some claimed the petition had phonies. There was only one phony: Spice Girl Geri Halliwell, planted by a Greenpeace organization to discredit the petition and soon removed. Other names that seemed to be phony - such as Michael Fox, the actor, and Perry Mason, the fictional lawyer in a TV series - were actually bona fide scientists, properly credentialled.

Like the Heidelberg Appeal, the Oregon petition was blown away. But now it is blowing back. Original signatories to the petition and others, outraged at Kyoto's corruption of science, wrote to the Oregon Institute and its director, Arthur Robinson, asking that the petition be brought back. "E-mails started coming in every day," he explained. "And they kept coming. " The writers were outraged at the way Al Gore and company were abusing the science to their own ends. "We decided to do the survey again."Using a subset of the mailing list of American Men and Women of Science, a who's who of Science, Robinson mailed out his solicitations through the postal service, requesting signed petitions of those who agreed that Kyoto was a danger to humanity.

The response rate was extraordinary, "much, much higher than anyone expected, much higher than you'd ordinarily expect," he explained. He's processed more than 31,000 at this point, more than 9,000 of them with PhDs, and has another 1,000 or so to go - most of them are already posted on a Web site at petitionproject.org.

Why go to this immense effort all over again, when the press might well ignore the tens of thousands of scientists who are standing up against global warming alarmism? "I hope the general public will become aware that there is no consensus on global warming," he says, "and I hope that scientists who have been reluctant to speak up will now do so, knowing that they aren't alone."At one level, Robinson, a PhD scientist himself, recoils at his petition. Science shouldn't be done by poll, he explains. "The numbers shouldn't matter. But if they want warm bodies, we have them."

Some 32,000 scientists is more than the number of environmentalists that descended on Rio in 1992.Is this enough to establish that the science is not settled on global warming? The press conference releasing these names occurs on Monday at the National Press Club in Washington.
Public sentiment is everything. With public sentiment, nothing can fail; without it nothing can succeed.  -Abraham Lincoln


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Re: 31000 SCIENTISTS Formally Reject Man-made Global Warming!

Postby paleocon on 06/09/08, 11:31 am

Well, frankly, no matter how many scientists reject MMGW it won't matter.  algore still has us by weight if not by volume.

It works like the labels on cereal packages.  "This argument is decided by weight and not by volume.  Some settling of contents may have occurred during packaging and shipping."  

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Re: 31000 SCIENTISTS Formally Reject Man-made Global Warming!

Postby Exercitus on 06/30/08, 3:09 am

What no astrologers? These people are not scientists, they are college grads, most of which don't even have a degree in anything close to climatology.  Notice that out of the 30000 sigs,  only 500 of them actually have degres in related fields. From the National Science Foundation.   There are about 655 thousand doctoral scientists, SCIENTISTS, not graduates in this country.  Of those, about 20000 of them hold degree comprable to the disenting minority that's about two and a half percent (I'm assuming that all of the 500 hold doctorates).  In addition, the site admits to some forged signatures so I'm also giving you the benifit of a doubt on that too.  



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Re: 31000 SCIENTISTS Formally Reject Man-made Global Warming!

Postby restan on 06/30/08, 8:56 am

Why not carry this argument to its rational conclusion? If we are to eliminate man made pollution, then we must eliminate population growth. We are into logarithmic growth in undeveloping nations which will eventually want their piece of the pie. We must also force China and India with their 3 billion people to cut back on their increasing
use of fossil fuels. China must be prevented from exploring for oil in Africa and the Gulf of Mexico. We must stop using gas powered vehicles and lighting our cities. Our manufacturing plants must be closed down, and any activity using fossil fuel must be eliminated. No airplanes, no cruise ships, no fertilizers for crops. We must also make all other countries do the same. After all, when China and India come on board, they will make our oil usage
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Re: 31000 SCIENTISTS Formally Reject Man-made Global Warming!

Postby Exercitus on 06/30/08, 12:33 pm

Why?  Why does there have to be no middle ground between utter destruction and the dark ages? The Earth will cycle quite a lot more CO2 than we produce each year so why not exploit that?  Why not burn carbon nutral fuel instead of oil.  How about planting trees?  Our economy and factories run on electricity, not oil, all we need is to find a new way of making it.
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Re: 31000 SCIENTISTS Formally Reject Man-made Global Warming!

Postby restan on 06/30/08, 1:00 pm

You better check your facts on power sources. You also better check on population growth.
Some questions:
1. What do we do about China and India in the short term and all developing countries in the long term?
2. What is the optimum number of people the earth could accommodate in a biologically neutral symbiosis?
3. Are you willing to revert to an agrarian society while the rest of the world eats up the remaining oil?
4. If America would revert to farming again, which is what you are recommending, what would the rest of the world do?
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Re: 31000 SCIENTISTS Formally Reject Man-made Global Warming!

Postby Exercitus on 06/30/08, 3:41 pm

1. Why should India and China figure into our calculations?   Is it ok to commit murder just because others are doing it?  Why don't we try to help them to come around, perhapse with some of our tech (wouldn't fusion be fun) or trade incentives (offhand a carbon tax on goods produced in an unrenewable manner).

2. Offhand I don't know but I'd say a fair enough more than we have now (Think about all the low yeald farming practices in africa, not to mention conlict).

3.  No, but I am content to watch the rest of the world eat up the remaining oil.  There are so many other sources of energy in this world than fermented dinosaur bones.

4.  Where are you going with this?  Do you have any idea how much food we actually produce?  It's one of the only industries that hasn't degraded to the point of uselessness in this country.
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Re: 31000 SCIENTISTS Formally Reject Man-made Global Warming!

Postby watcher on 06/30/08, 9:34 pm

Why not all just commit suicide. That will solve the problem. You go first
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Re: 31000 SCIENTISTS Formally Reject Man-made Global Warming!

Postby Exercitus on 07/01/08, 1:00 am

No, our decaying bodies would just put more CO2 into the air :)
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Re: 31000 SCIENTISTS Formally Reject Man-made Global Warming!

Postby SoldiersMum on 07/01/08, 2:20 am

Exercitus wrote:No, our decaying bodies would just put more CO2 into the air :)


It's plant food.

We are more likely going into the Solar Minimum..that means an ice age.  Google it.

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